The Joy of Confessing: Original Sin—Tom Nettles

Reblogged from Founders Ministries Blog

I recently returned from giving a series of lectures on the New Hampshire Confession of Faith. The exercise was stimulating (at least to me) and gave a real sense of privilege and gratitude for blessing. In particular, I mean the blessing of joining with the saints of decades and centuries gone by in confessing truths that have been revealed by God—redemptive truths that bear within them the matter for endless praise. Read more at Founders Ministries Blog»

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7 Responses to The Joy of Confessing: Original Sin—Tom Nettles

  1. parsonsmike says:

    It aint sin until youse does it either internally or externally. And there is no condemnation except on those who sin. The Scriptures tells us that the soul that sins will die.
    And it also tells us:
    After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand. It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
    Sin is the transgression of the law, not the desire to transgress but the acting on that desire:
    But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

  2. So Mike, you don’t believe in the imputation of Adam’s sin? How is it that all die in Adam, if all are not guilty in Adam?

  3. parsonsmike says:

    How is it all die in Adam? We agree they do, but how?
    The verse reads:
    But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

    Are you speaking universally or particularly? How can it be either? Are all made alive in Christ that die in Adam? Nope.
    Therefore to live or die is conditional.
    So how do all die in Adam? They sin and perish.
    How is one made alive in Christ? By grace through faith.

    Consider this:
    Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “What do you mean by using this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying,
    ‘The fathers eat the sour grapes,
    But the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
    As I live,” declares the Lord God, “you are surely not going to use this proverb in Israel anymore. Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

    The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

    For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.

    I not only do not believe in the imputation of Adam’s sin, the Bible preaches against it.

  4. Ken Hamrick says:

    I submitted the following comment at the Founders Ministries Blog two days ago, but it has not yet been posted or replied to:

    Dr. Nettles,

    Thank you for the response. You stated: “The historic answer for our inclusion in Adam has been that we were both federally and naturally present, in ‘his loins’ so to speak even as Levi was present in the loins of Abraham.”

    The historic answer has changed over the centuries. In the early Reformed church, federalism did not exist. The Augustinian idea of a participative union in Adam prevailed, such that it was taught that Adam’s sin was imputed to us because it was ours. Even after the federal/covenant idea became prominent, it was held in conjunction with the old Augustinian idea, so that the justice of designating Adam as our representative was grounded on our participative presence in him. In other words, the sin still belonged to us prior to the federal imputation. Only from the 18th century did the federal idea completely replace the Augustinian, resulting in the teaching that the sin of Adam was ours because it was imputed to us. Under the Augustinian idea, the corruption of nature was inherited as the natural and just consequence of our participative sin in Adam; but under the federal, the corruption of nature became the penalty for Adam’s sin that was sovereignly put on us without any just ground in reality. Theologians who remove all ground of real justice ought not to then assume that their portrayal of God is just merely because it is a fact that God is just.

    Ken Hamrick

  5. Tom Hicks says:

    Ken, so sorry about that brother. The email comment notification was filtered to “junk” and I didn’t see it until you notified me this morning. Your reply is now posted to the blog. Blessings to you in our Lord Jesus, Tom Hicks.

  6. Ken Hamrick says:

    Thank you, Dr. Hicks. That problem happens here as well, sometimes. Blessings to you, too, Brother.
    Ken Hamrick

  7. Ken Hamrick says:

    Dr. Nettles has finally replied, but only selectively. He did not at all address the most substantive and difficult objection, which I also posted here at April 19, 2013 at 6:02 am.

    However, new comments on the discussion at the Founders Ministries Blog have now been disabled. It seems that the new format is intended more to display the views of their authors and not to actually debate those views. That’s too bad. Well, the comments on SBC Open Forum will never be disabled on any discussion.

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